Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

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Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby Tammy Bell » June 24th, 2011, 3:23 pm

Max has been trained from a 6 month old puppy using Bill's techniques. No one other than myself has ever handled Max, and he has 21 derby points and has placed in a few trials. He has 3 open points and 3 am points, but still needs work on some issues in order to become a more reliable competitor. I am very excited to have enrolled Max and myself in Bill's new 'Balanced Retriever Training Program'.

We began by discussing the problems that I believe Max needs to work on, and then we spent some time in the field performing some basic drills. Bill recognized several problems right away that we needed to work on.

His hold is not good and is creating bird issues on the line. Our homework is

Homework assignment #1
Fetch
Hold/nick
Out



Max needs some drills to sharpen his handling skills for land blinds also. Bill set up a handling pattern to teach to Max.

Homework Assignment #2
Line to piles first before starting to handle.
Sit/nick on heel.

Homework Assignment #3
Walk around marks

Bill also instructed me to keep a log and make videos to report back in with.
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - Tammy Bell

Postby Bill Hillmann » June 27th, 2011, 1:03 pm

Tammy,

You said when we discussed your progress on the phone that Max is mouthing the bumper when you approach him to take it away. I now want you to tell him HOLD and give a nick while standing away from him. Then move toward him repeating the HOLD command and then move away.

Let me know how that works for you.

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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - Tammy Bell

Postby Tammy Bell » June 30th, 2011, 3:11 pm

Here is where we are at right now with Assignment #1 The Hold

The hold is getting more consistent but still needs some work.



Assignment #2 The handling pattern

We started handling in the pattern you set up for us. Lining to piles is good, but the sit is a little slow and could be better. Casting is good too, and we are working on the precise body position you showed us for each cast.

Assignment #3 Walking marks

Need to do more of these with the 'kennel' command to send back to 'Home plate'.
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - Tammy Bell

Postby Tammy Bell » July 1st, 2011, 10:12 am

Oh this is very cool.....I'm getting a PRIVATE LESSON from THE RETRIEVER COACH today!!



Here Bill is showing how to sharpen the whistle sits.....



Wow! Much progress made today with Bill and Max! Max also did a REMOTE double going back to HOME PLATE with us as the bird boy!! UNBELIEVABLE what I am learning.

Lessons for this week to work on......

Sit/Nick with the Lead
FOCUS on ME
Walking Singles on land and Water

We also talked about a new Project that Bill is doing, but more on that SOON!!
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby Tammy Bell » July 13th, 2011, 1:47 pm

Update for the week of July 10.

Max and I have been working on his hold which seems to be getting better in the yard. It is still sloppy with excitement though.



His sits are getting better and here we are working sit/nick on lead.



Here is a sample of his sits in the handling drill

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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby Dee Dee Rose » July 13th, 2011, 5:37 pm

I couldn't see on your last video what you were doing with your hands when you would whistle for a sit. I saw the hands were out away from your side on the come in, but couldn't see them on the sit. Thanks. Dee Dee :roll:
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby Tammy Bell » July 13th, 2011, 7:29 pm

Dee Dee,

I was using two hands down for come in and one hand pointed out towards Max for sit. When you use the come in you can bend down and then stand straight with the outstretched hand for sit. We will use a different angle next time.

You can see Bill doing these type of hand signals on the puppy video. This gives you two verbal sit commands, the voice and whistle, and one visual command with the outstretched hand.
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby Dee Dee Rose » July 13th, 2011, 8:16 pm

Got it! Sort of the Traffic Cop signal! Thanks.
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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby maryhillmann » July 14th, 2011, 12:17 pm

Tammy
It looks like you are doing a very good job on Hold and using
the bumper rope as a lead. But you have to keep working on
this and the compete sequence, fetch, hold, out. Do this every day without fail,
almost to where you can lift him off the ground with the bumper rope.

On the other hand, on the pattern field, Max’s whistle stop is
still way too slow and unacceptable. When you send him
for a pile, walk behind him so that you end up being closer to
him and at that time work on the whistle stop. As you approach him,
whistle him to come towards you, then whistle
nick, come towards you again, cast him back and stop him
within a few feet, whistle-nick. Do this 5 or 6 times always
demanding an immediate sit. This is important and I think
you should submit another video with just this particular
phase so we can get it solved.

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Re: Ragin' Max Steel (MAX) - 5 years old

Postby jkjuhl » July 14th, 2011, 3:05 pm

Tammy and Bill,

Just for clarification sake regarding what should happen in order to improve Max's sit. Bill, what you are asking Tammy to do essentially is for Max to do some rapid fire 'come-in' and 'sit-nick'. So that there is only a nanosecond of time lapse between the 'come in whistle' and 'sit-nick'. The way I picture this, is that the dog is barely getting his rump off the ground, than taking a baby step forward before being asked to sit back down. Do I have this right?

This is really helpful stuff.

Thanks,
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